"This topic is for discussions not related directly to EverQuest II gameplay. The Rules of Conduct still apply and will be enforced."

 

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Leawyn wrote:

I do not want this to degrade to a flame fest. Let me open by saying I do occasionally troll and post on the NGD forum. I try to stick to the more "serious" topics that sometimes pop up there. I sometimes read the "funny" or "silly" threads. But I do notice something about that forum that I think needs to be brought up since there is a new forum conversion coming up.

 

I think the NGD has gotten completely out of hand. I can probably link several posts lately that have been derailed to the point of getting locked, or in some cases even removed. Now, reading the description of NGD, it states:

 

"This topic is for discussions not related directly to EverQuest II gameplay. The Rules of Conduct still apply and will be enforced."

 

Now this doesn't always seem to be the way things go there. I know the mods and devs like to play there as well, but I think its time to get this forum back on track. I would love to have a place I could go to and ask about RL issues, or other issues that are not directly related to EQ2 (what kind of computer should I get? Have you ever had this happen to you? etc) without fear of it getting derailed almost immediately by discussions of breakfast food or smacking people with spatulas.

 

Let me repeat, I have nothing against NGD posters in general, and I don't hate them. I DO NOT want this to turn into a flame fest here. I just want to express my opinions about it.

 

If there absolutely MUST be a forum where people can be silly, up post counts, have "last word" contest, etc, then make a seperate forum for it. Leave NGD to discussions.  That is my humble opinion, and I'm interested what others think.

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The fourm rules state:

"Trolling" is defined as: Posting with the intent of stirring up trouble or to incite disruption. An example of trolling would be posting to a thread without the intent to provide constructive suggestions or comments and instead making disruptive comments.

I've not seen you as one to post for the purpose of stirring up trouble, so I wouldn't call you a troll. I have seen people ask serious questions, like advice on computer parts and people responded with usefull posts and information( I can post them if you want). Now there may have been some silly responses as well, but it didn't derail the thread or keep the poster from getting information.

IMO, what appears to be the reason some  threads have been locked was negative comments and name calling, not the silly comments made by people who are trying to have a little fun and make the work day go by faster.

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HazlenutElf wrote:
IMO, what appears to be the reason some  threads have been locked was negative comments and name calling, not the silly comments made by people who are trying to have a little fun and make the work day go by faster.

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Pinski wrote:

Btw, when a person started a topic on Class vs. Skill-based RPGs, it was INSTANTLY derailed. Then when it was started up again, another post was made with a similiar topic that was completely off-topic from the original post, which obviously the post was made as a trolling post. It's a joke that the NGD is allowed to continue on with not following the Rules of Conduct, yet it states that it's supposed to.

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That's exactly what I mean. There was another topic, regarding having seperate NGD forums for each server, which was derailed in all of 1 post. After several aborted attempts to have a real discussion about it (it WAS constantly derailed by discussion of food) the post was eventually moved to a different forum, and ultimately deleted. I am not questioning the validity of the move or the deletion, so, mods, please don't come down on my head about it. Just merely referencing a discussion that was derailed and killed due to the blatant abuses that go on in NGD.

I understand that SOME posts do live despite the derailing, but for an NGD to feel they have the "right" to say whatever they want about anything they want even if it isn't about the topic at hand is what is making that forum unplesant for me.

P.S. i didn't start this to troll. If i was going to troll, i would have started this in the NGD forum and seen them get all up in arms. I purposely started it here, since we are all "vetrans" on the board, and I thought my point might come across a little stronger. I think the NGD forum is a good concept gone horribly wrong by people who simply don't follow the rules, and instead of being warned, they instead get praised/supported by the mods.

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Articulas wrote:
something i think people have to consider along with the forum rules is what the regulars to that particular forum have made the enviroment like. i personally see nothing wrong with the NGD other than the people who come there looking to stir up trouble intentionally.

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Leawyn wrote:

 that they need to abide by the rules and stop derailing every thread in there with discussion on foods and sporks.

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HazlenutElf wrote:

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Leawyn wrote:

 that they need to abide by the rules and stop derailing every thread in there with discussion on foods and sporks.

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the spork discussion wasn't a derail, it was always a spork discussion

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Articulas wrote:
something i think people have to consider along with the forum rules is what the regulars to that particular forum have made the enviroment like. i personally see nothing wrong with the NGD other than the people who come there looking to stir up trouble intentionally.

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Rijacki wrote:

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HazlenutElf wrote:

 

The original class vs. skill discusussion ive read over a couple of times, and I guess it comes down to perception. When I first saw the thread I thought the same thing, "isn't this a Gameplay topic" ?  

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The reason it is an NGD and not a Gameplay topic is that it doesn't 100% pertain to Everquest 2.  The Gameplay forum is for topics relating to the playing of THIS game.  NGD can contain topics about other games.

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agreed, and if the OP would have clarified sans insults the thread would not have degreaded to a lock the way it did, IMO

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HazlenutElf wrote:

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Rijacki wrote:

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HazlenutElf wrote:

 

The original class vs. skill discusussion ive read over a couple of times, and I guess it comes down to perception. When I first saw the thread I thought the same thing, "isn't this a Gameplay topic" ?  

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The reason it is an NGD and not a Gameplay topic is that it doesn't 100% pertain to Everquest 2.  The Gameplay forum is for topics relating to the playing of THIS game.  NGD can contain topics about other games.

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agreed, and if the OP would have clarified sans insults the thread would not have degreaded to a lock the way it did, IMO

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HazlenutElf wrote:

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Rijacki wrote:

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HazlenutElf wrote:

 

The original class vs. skill discusussion ive read over a couple of times, and I guess it comes down to perception. When I first saw the thread I thought the same thing, "isn't this a Gameplay topic" ?  

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The reason it is an NGD and not a Gameplay topic is that it doesn't 100% pertain to Everquest 2.  The Gameplay forum is for topics relating to the playing of THIS game.  NGD can contain topics about other games.

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agreed, and if the OP would have clarified sans insults the thread would not have degreaded to a lock the way it did, IMO

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Lets not make this about one thread in particular. There have been several threads that have gone by the wayside due to the swarming of NGD regulars to derail it into meaningless garbage. (Please don't take that as an insult... its not meant as one.) The overwhelming feeling of the NGD forums is that you cannot have a SERIOUS discussion about an issue, because "serious is bad, mmkay" and then the pudding wrestling starts.

There is definately a different air given to people who post in NGD regularly. If a regular walked in and asked a question, the thread generally stays on topic. See the "Top end gaming system" thread. If a non-regular starts a post, it is almost immediately derailed. See the "Class vs Skills" thread. And not only that, the thread is then "parodied" and made fun of if not once, several times by the regulars. The OP is berated to the point of not even wanting to look at NGD again.

If you aren't a regular, and you don't "go with the flow" in NGD, you are thrashed and "kicked out," if only by choosing personally never to go back.

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Pinski wrote:


He did clarify it without insults at first. "It's not about EQ2 itself so it dont belong in the EQ2 discussion forums. NGD means not an EQ2 GAME discussion." It wasn't until Articulas decided that NGD is about derailing threads that Flotten decided it was time to insult.

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he insulted before that

"Understand now, or still miffed?  I didnt think this forum had so many simpletons..."

but not to get on just one thread... non 'regulars' have posted and had thier posts responed to with "serious" answers like this if sav could have helped I'm sure she would have, and ya the coyote was coyote, but the OP in that situation saw it as a free bump to his thread (and maybe laughed?) rather then get mad, there are "regulars" that will help, but not if they are insulted

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Leawyn wrote:

If you aren't a regular, and you don't "go with the flow" in NGD, you are thrashed and "kicked out," if only by choosing personally never to go back.

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HazlenutElf wrote:

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Pinski wrote:


He did clarify it without insults at first. "It's not about EQ2 itself so it dont belong in the EQ2 discussion forums. NGD means not an EQ2 GAME discussion." It wasn't until Articulas decided that NGD is about derailing threads that Flotten decided it was time to insult.

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he insulted before that

"Understand now, or still miffed?  I didnt think this forum had so many simpletons..."

but not to get on just one thread... non 'regulars' have posted and had thier posts responed to with "serious" answers like this if sav could have helped I'm sure she would have, and ya the coyote was coyote, but the OP in that situation saw it as a free bump to his thread (and maybe laughed?) rather then get mad, there are "regulars" that will help, but not if they are insulted

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From the thread you linked:

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I need some help. I spent 6 months at NAS Keflavik and during that time bought a car that I am now trying to register in the states. The problem I have is the registration is of course in Icelandic and I need some words translated. So if anyone here can translate here are the words I need:

 

Nytt

Opekktur litur

Folksbifreid

Varnarlidsmannaokutaeki

VLM - merki

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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VERY FIRST REPLY:

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Not since the accident.   Sorry.

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SECOND REPLY:

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Wow. Well first, hello friend. And secondly -  you are in luck. I actually speak fluently.

Nytt - as in "Not Yet". spoken through a mouth full of food. "Is the pizza here?" *munch munch* "Nytt!"

Opekktur litur - as in "Open the Locker!"  Something said because you've been locked in a meat locker and your face is half frozen so it comes out garbled.

Folksbifreid - slang for people are baked on drugs. "Folks Be FRIED."

Varnarlidsmannaokutaeki - oddly enough means "small word".

 

merki - Dark, cloudy water.

 

Glad I could help.

 

-Uncle Coyote

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This continues until reply 7 when someone FINALLY posts something resembling help.

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Leawyn wrote:

 

 

 

If there absolutely MUST be a forum where people can be silly, up post counts, have "last word" contest, etc, then make a separate forum for it. Leave NGD to discussions.  That is my humble opinion, and I'm interested what others think.

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Just a thought, but if you moved all the "silly" posts to another board would their be enough traffic left to have a "serious" discussion?

It's a chicken or the egg question, are the hot threads about sporks because that's what people want in NGD, or are the hot threads about sporks because only people that want to talk about sporks are left in NGD. Non Gameplay Discussion is a pretty broad topic, people that play eq2 but aren't talking about actual gamplay. Ultimately its what the community wants it to be about. Theads of little interest to the community as a whole get droped off the first few pages as people continue to talk about sporks.

Regardless of topic, name calling, insults and personal attacks have no place, IMO.

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KerowynnKaotic wrote:

 

While, it would be nice if the NGD could be changed back to it's original intent of being a place to post "Serious Off-EQ2" topics .. it isn't going to happen.

 

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Given time, it hopefully will. Two or three On topic thread replies, then the rest turns into Off topic replies, kinda stinks. I think it's ok to goof off here and there with silly threads, lately it seems full of it. However, on this particular topic I am hoping it can be discussed maturely without fighting in this area of the forums. I think the discussion is ok, but would blow up if posted on the NGD.

Seriously though Raijinn would probably be the person to have this discussion with to give feedback on the NGD. Myself I'm more drawn to the other areas - mainly tradeskills and only post off topics on the NGD - The Khacki's thread I had posted a while ago went rather well and hard to believe stayed on topic.

And no offense to anyone that posts there, that's just my opinion.

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Nuhus wrote:

Seriously though Raijinn would probably be the person to have this discussion with to give feedback on the NGD. Myself I'm more drawn to the other areas - mainly tradeskills and only post off topics on the NGD - The Khacki's thread I had posted a while ago went rather well and hard to believe stayed on topic.

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Leawyn, you have absolutely no place complaining about people changing topics mid thread, or trolling, or complaining and causing trouble. You have to be one of the biggest inciters I have ever seen when the mood takes you. If you don't like NGD, then post somewhere else.

I can't believe the Veteran's Board has become a place for YOU of all people to chastise and complain about OTHER posters. I could just throw up.

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juliev wrote:

Leawyn, you have absolutely no place complaining about people changing topics mid thread, or trolling, or complaining and causing trouble. You have to be one of the biggest inciters I have ever seen when the mood takes you. If you don't like NGD, then post somewhere else.

I can't believe the Veteran's Board has become a place for YOU of all people to chastise and complain about OTHER posters. I could just throw up.

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