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I do not want this to degrade to a flame fest

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Leawyn wrote:
wow..... just.... wow.....

Never knew you felt that way about me Oolie.

Not going to respond in any way whatsoever to what you said because i'm so flabbergasted right now, I don't even know what to say. I'm just going to repeat the very first thing I said in this thread, and hope this discussion can continue.

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I do not want this to degrade to a flame fest

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Leawyn wrote:

 

 

 discussions of breakfast food or smacking people with spatulas.

 

 

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This line makes me giggle whenever I think about it.  Personally, I don't see where there's enough people that would post in NGD to really have much of a discussion about anything besides sporks. Most people would rather be playing the game then post, unless its a game related issue or they are posting from work. And for the most part, people post from work are stopping by to look for something that will make them smile, laugh or otherwise lighten up another day at the office. I've seen way more threads on "serious: topics die from lack of interest then from sillyness and derails. Most of the silly theads started that way. And the ones that got locked, generally got that way from arguments, insults or topics that are not allowed (ie politics or religion). 

/shrug

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Saihung23 wrote:

Youre right....we are teh suck.  They should change the forum rules so that it accomodates you two more.

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Saihung23 wrote:

 

As for changing it?  What needs to change?  You say we constantly break the rules and get away with it....we arent doing things out of spite like in GD

 

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I can find about 3k individual posts of a serious nature if you want them.

By posting this I am also now a liar.  I came  back...stalked if you will lol.

Here...

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=Non-Gameplay&message.id=87302&query.id=0#M87302

and

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=Non-Gameplay&message.id=143643&view=by_date_ascending&page=4

two more...the thing is...NGD doesnt need to justify the way it is to you two.   NGD is there for people and will be there.  It doesnt have to conform to your interpretation of the rules.  You dont tell the moderators how to do their job...their boss does.

And fyi....just like the post that was locked before...the phrase "many of us" cant be used in reference to two people...two people out of thousands does not constitute "many people".

If there are so many people that are upset with NGD...I challenge you to find them and get them posting on it.  Lets see...we have Pinski (Are you Mr. Pinsky from New York....? Just curious....kinda funny that you chose that name here....there is a Mr. Pinsky quoted in an article in the NY times about MMO's...I think he is a broker or something.../shrug) and Leawyn already...

Go get the masses...show the Mod's and the rest of NGD that the opinions you state as being shared by many is just that....and not the rants of two people with a personal grudge against the mod's and ngd.

In all true seriousness Leawyn and Pinski....I hope you two and your loved ones know nothing but peace health and happiness for the rest of your lives.   Its 5 o'clock...time for me to start signing off here and take a step back....and try to get ready for tomorrows problems and fun.

Have fun...its the game within the game.

You are taking things way too personally Sai. First off, I started this in vetrans, which many of the people I know that don't like NGD do not have access to. Secondly, I conceeded the fact that there are serious threads in NGD. Third, I never ever said that there were NO serious threads. I said that the rules are broken often in that forum, and simply I'd like to see them enforced as they are in other forums. If I had posted this thread in NGD, it would have degraded to a flame fest in 3 seconds flat, and the people who don't have access to the Vetrans forum would have been able to voice their opinions as well, if they had headed that way.

I do not want this to be a flame fest. This is NOT a Me vs NGD. I am not questioning the mods and their choices for locking or not locking some threads in NGD. I just think that they are allowed alot more freedom in what they can and can't do, to the point that some even brag that they "can do whatever they want" in NGD.

Let me tell you, if http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=Non-Gameplay&message.id=411507 had been posted in the gaming thread, and with the same exact responses to it that are seen in the first two replies, those two replies would have been removed and the discussion allowed to continue. Instead, it degraded into a stupid argument about whether or not it belonged in NGD and the topic died there, even in a resurrected thread attempting the discussion again. I think the Mod at the end of this particular post put it best:

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No.  You are never allowed to "derail at will".  Read the description of the NGD.  It specifically states that this forum is for any discussion not directly related to EQ2 gameplay and it further states that the Forum Rules of Conduct will be enforced here.

Last I checked flaming, derailing and the like are very much against the terms of service of these forums.

So keep that in mind in the future.  The NGD gets a lot of slack in regards to the ToS already, but its getting old to see that slack being taken advantage of and abused on a daily basis.  Especially when it gets to the point that people, like tweety1972, will brag about it and use it as justification for things like what I quoted.

I'm going to lock this thread since it was locked previously.  However if I continue to see purposeful derailments and flames made just because some NGD posters do not like the subject matter I will make sure that the posters are dealt with in the future, and aren't rewarded with locked posts just because they don't agree with the subject matter.

Thanks.

Regards,
Quasimm

Title held by me MiB means what you think you saw you did not see

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Saihung23 wrote:

 

 

NGD means more to people than you may ever realize.  Because we might help you laugh...or we might just try to be there for you.....

 

As for changing it?  What needs to change?  You say we constantly break the rules and get away with it....we arent doing things out of spite like in GD...we arent insulting people wholesale or personally

 

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I feel the same way on so many levels. I think the rest of the boards could use a little more light heartedness and a little less of the insults and flames. NGD hardly corners the market on "rule breaking".

Regards,
Joel "Raijinn Thunderguard"


The not funniest mod - Ever
|| Forum Rules of Conduct || Technical Help || Mod Tracker ||

Message Edited by Kenazeer on 09-11-2006 06:15 PM

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Leawyn wrote:

Please lets not let this degrade to personal arguing and attacks. Everyone is entitled to their opinions of other members, and I respect that, but I would rather that doesn't make its way to this thread, because I'd like to see a discussion about the merits of NGD, whether it should remain as it is (and possibly the rules posted in it changed to reflect the actual nature) or if there should be a new forum created where people can be as silly as they want, can derail as much as they want, and post about sporks all they want, while leaving NGD to discussions about RL, other games or other non-gaming discussions without fear of it getting derailed.

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see the thing is, is you can't take offense...(and you can't take offense to this either, since really it's just a thought from an inconsequential spammer such as myself)

as a washed up regular spammer this is how i look at it...the regulars of the ngd are actually quite accepting of people comming to post there...i think more restraint is needed in the derailments popping up from time to time, but really when things get into a heated discussion someone usually will pop in and toss in a /derail to lighten things up...the problem is, is someone who's not a regular there will sometimes take offense to it and start fighting with derailer...i'm not saying the /derail is right, and immediately attacking the derailer isn't either...people that want to post in NGD, by all means should, but they shouldn't be so quick to start attacking other people either...that's about as smart as running into the football players lockerroom in highschool and telling them they all suck...the same would hold true for the server boards, if some random person that doesn't play on a particular server came in there and started something, most of the regulars of that board would be all over them...

not everything brought there is going to be met with stone cold seriousness, that's just not the nature of the board...if someone attacks you /report the hell out of them, don't make a huge flame fest out of something as trivial as someone posting "hi! /derailed! - now back to our regularly scheduled spammage", take the topic back where you want it, post something like "ha! ha! ok now maybe we can discuss this now "...if people are interested in discussing it, they generally will, if the derailment gets too bad /report it...honestly the worst thing anyone on these boards could do is continue a /flame - it gets you nowhere real quick, and it brings everyone's friends out of the woodwork to join in, it makes everyone have really bad feelings towards eachother and destroys the community of the eq2 forums...it doesn't really matter who started it, it really doesn't need to continue, there is no need to get the last word.../report and move on, NOTHING will be gained from continuing a /flame except making all parties involved look really stupid to the rest of the world...

we're all guilty of it at some point, there are many times where you get yer [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] burned so bad you just want to strangle someone...that's when you close yer browser and come back in a few hours...i've been trying to make that a regular thing for me for a while...when i get angry about a poster i close the browser and come back later...either respond to the thread or just move on if i don't think i'm going to be civil...sometimes emotion gets the best of me and i do say something stupid tho...and i kick myself for it later...

if you keep in mind that the ngd people are actually nice people for the most part (we all have our moments) and approach the board a little differently than you would say gameplay or something where you're expected to be serious then you might find some of the commentary that you can draw from the crowd interesting...

if you really really look at that board with an open mind, there are plenty of topics about sporks, spammage AND real life stuff, other games etc, and not all of them turn out bad...if people just try to stay open about and leave the stone cold serious "this has to be serious damnit!" stuff out of it, NGD actually turns into quite a pleasant place...just watch the board for a while, keep an open mind and you'll see plenty of threads about stuff that pops up in the news etc...

ngd is a good place to foster some good community relationships, i think there are a few regulars that should probably learn to NOT post to a topic they don't like, but with a little coercing from the mods i think that might be workable...just please don't condemn a really good group of people b/c of a few tiffs and misunderstandings over the culture of the ngd...

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interstellarmatter wrote:

I have to agree with Oolie, Leawyn.  You use to be a pretty cool poster around here.  Lately, you've done nothing but declared war on the mods cause of their type of moderation.  Your stance was for less moderation, since you couldn't get your way, you've turned this into let's make boards what I want them to be.  In the mean time, you troll around these forums flaming anyone who doesn't agree with you.  I've gotten a few pm's just asking me why you have to be so mean.  So, before you start asking for the forums to become what you want, why do you take the time to build your reputation back up.

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Thank you Stellar. And having read Raijinn's request and Gothic's thoughts, all I still have to say is Leawyn you have no business trying to change what, where and how people post. If you don't like NGD, or the Nek boards, or the blackboard for that matter, then READ SOMETHING ELSE! If you don't like what someone says or talks about READ SOMETHING ELSE! If NGD wants to create a 30 page thread about the proper use of spatulas and you have nothing to add.. then DON'T POST! DON'T READ IT! It really is that simple. Get over yourself, really.

And stop trying to flame on this board. I wonder at why you did not post this in NGD.... seems that is your target. Scared to get Pwned? They would eat you alive with this "I don't like what you say... blahblah" business.

Message Edited by juliev on 09-11-2006 11:29 PM

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juliev wrote:

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interstellarmatter wrote:

I have to agree with Oolie, Leawyn.  You use to be a pretty cool poster around here.  Lately, you've done nothing but declared war on the mods cause of their type of moderation.  Your stance was for less moderation, since you couldn't get your way, you've turned this into let's make boards what I want them to be.  In the mean time, you troll around these forums flaming anyone who doesn't agree with you.  I've gotten a few pm's just asking me why you have to be so mean.  So, before you start asking for the forums to become what you want, why do you take the time to build your reputation back up.

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Thank you Stellar. And having read Raijinn's request and Gothic's thoughts, all I still have to say is Leawyn you have no business trying to change what, where and how people post. If you don't like NGD, or the Nek boards, or the blackboard for that matter, then READ SOMETHING ELSE! If you don't like what someone says or talks about READ SOMETHING ELSE! If NGD wants to create a 30 page thread about the proper use of spatulas and you have nothing to add.. then DON'T POST! DON'T READ IT! It really is that simple. Get over yourself, really.

And stop trying to flame on this board. I wonder at why you did not post this in NGD.... seems that is your target. Scared to get Pwned? They would eat you alive with this "I don't like what you say... blahblah" business.

Message Edited by juliev on 09-11-2006 11:29 PM

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juliev wrote:

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interstellarmatter wrote:

I have to agree with Oolie, Leawyn.  You use to be a pretty cool poster around here.  Lately, you've done nothing but declared war on the mods cause of their type of moderation.  Your stance was for less moderation, since you couldn't get your way, you've turned this into let's make boards what I want them to be.  In the mean time, you troll around these forums flaming anyone who doesn't agree with you.  I've gotten a few pm's just asking me why you have to be so mean.  So, before you start asking for the forums to become what you want, why do you take the time to build your reputation back up.

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Thank you Stellar. And having read Raijinn's request and Gothic's thoughts, all I still have to say is Leawyn you have no business trying to change what, where and how people post. If you don't like NGD, or the Nek boards, or the blackboard for that matter, then READ SOMETHING ELSE! If you don't like what someone says or talks about READ SOMETHING ELSE! If NGD wants to create a 30 page thread about the proper use of spatulas and you have nothing to add.. then DON'T POST! DON'T READ IT! It really is that simple. Get over yourself, really.

And stop trying to flame on this board. I wonder at why you did not post this in NGD.... seems that is your target. Scared to get Pwned? They would eat you alive with this "I don't like what you say... blahblah" business.

Message Edited by juliev on 09-11-2006 11:29 PM

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juliev wrote:

oh stop Pinksi. You and Leawyn only came here to create a huge flame and drama drama drama. Knock it off. Why don't you log in and play rather than come here and continuously tell us what you think about other people when WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT!~

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Pinski wrote:

Then, maybe NGD people should do the same, and not mock every post that isn't to their liking. If you want to play it your way, then play it that way, rather than acting like it's that way.

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julie, this is sorta what i've been trying to say in all those really long tidbits i keep posting...BUT, pinksi you have to not get so defensive on a derail as well...they're NOT intentionally trying to make fun of anyone they derail, sometimes the silliness gets a little overboard...that's the nature of the board....and yeah, people on both sides should learn to not post to everything that's not to thier liking

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Kenazeer wrote:

 

"What are the rules that apply to the NGD forums?"

 

Answer this and the problems are solved because the problem doesn't seem to be necessarily what goes on there, but the divergence between the written rules of the forums and how they are enforced on NGD.

 

In other words, when posting to the NGD, should a person have a reasonable expectation that their post will be treated with the same respect, and measured by the same rules, as on any other forum? If not, then the "rules" should be clarified to eliminate uncertainty.

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the unwritten rule of the ngd is: don't flame eachother, have fun and don't take the board too seriously...

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juliev wrote:

oh stop Pinksi. You and Leawyn only came here to create a huge flame and drama drama drama. Knock it off. Why don't you log in and play rather than come here and continuously tell us what you think about other people when WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT!~

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you're not seeing their point...they want to be able to discuss things in other boards that are not appropriate to the GD and not feel like people are ganging up on them...pinksi can be abrasive, leawyn can be abrasive, you can be abrasive...it needs to chill...really it does...really i haven't really seen leawyn getting  flamey anywhere in this thread...i see a bunch of people jumping up and down busting out the flame throwers on her, but i haven't seen her flame anyone in this thread...this is an example of what i'm trying to say, if you don't want to hear it then don't read it...if she had come here screaming "NGD posters are teh suxx0rez" then yeah, it's a flame...i realize this little post is going to piss you off, and i'm not trying to pick on you, we've been friends and this little thread shouldn't destroy that...but seriously, discuss the topic, don't tell people to shut up...if you aren't going to contribute any more than "shut the hell up" then perhaps you might want to read another thread...i'm sorry, but really read what you just wrote, and really read what leawyn has written in this thread...there's a stark contrast in the tone of each of your posts...

NOW IF YOU ALL THINK ABOUT IT

the vet's lounge is the answer to having a place to discuss things...BG in his infinite wisdom created this board and with a little message at the top of the board:

he summed up the intention of the board...discuss whatever you like

now, maybe that was the whole idea, the NGD without the rampant silliness, and the n00bs on the boards can't come and make trouble b/c they haven't figured out how to post reasonably yet...

sooooooooooooooooooo.....

in effect, pinksi and leawyn, you have your board...whenever you see a friend hit lord(ess) status point out the board to them...discusss...this board is way underutilized at the moment, and i have a feeling you are only going to be moderated by joel or other rednames here b/c if you notice none of the mib's have stuck their head in here to admonish some of the heated posting going on...i'm sure they would have locked this one already...

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g0thiCiCecReaM wrote:
julie, this is sorta what i've been trying to say in all those really long tidbits i keep posting...BUT, pinksi you have to not get so defensive on a derail as well...they're NOT intentionally trying to make fun of anyone they derail, sometimes the silliness gets a little overboard...that's the nature of the board....and yeah, people on both sides should learn to not post to everything that's not to thier liking

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BUT, if you notice what i said about this board...perhaps the solution to the problem is right before everyone's eyes... i can pretty much assure you, you won't see a derailment here like you would in the ngd...and if you do it would be WAY out of line imo...

at the moment with the current lithium software some people that qualify for this board don't have access due to the nature of how the forum ranks/groups work...i bet they'll do something with the new software to fix that

Message Edited by g0thiCiCecReaM on 09-12-2006 08:33 AM