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g0thiCiCecReaM wrote:

BUT, if you notice what i said about this board...perhaps the solution to the problem is right before everyone's eyes... i can pretty much assure you, you won't see a derailment here like you would in the ngd...and if you do it would be WAY out of line imo...

 

at the moment with the current lithium software some people that qualify for this board don't have access due to the nature of how the forum ranks/groups work...i bet they'll do something with the new software to fix that

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Kenazeer wrote:

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g0thiCiCecReaM wrote:

BUT, if you notice what i said about this board...perhaps the solution to the problem is right before everyone's eyes... i can pretty much assure you, you won't see a derailment here like you would in the ngd...and if you do it would be WAY out of line imo...

 

at the moment with the current lithium software some people that qualify for this board don't have access due to the nature of how the forum ranks/groups work...i bet they'll do something with the new software to fix that

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While it is not a bad idea, I don't think the solution is using a "restricted" board. There are some very worthwhile comments and contributions by people who do not post a lot, or who are new to this game. Take the person doing all the crit analysis for example.

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yeah, you are right that a restricted board will end up excluding some worthwhile input...

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Saihung23 wrote:

 

Anyone is welcome to post in NGD.   Post about whatever you want to in NGD (there always exceptions to this rule and you should know what those exceptions are...i.e. gameplay issues et cetera).

 

If you post something, serious or not, in the NGD and it gets derailed and never gets back on track...report it.  I have seen threads get derailed, back on track for some good discussions, derailed, back on track, derailed, back on track...

 

IMHO sometimes a discussion gets stale with the same opinions being stated and restated and restated...in that a minor derail of some humorous, harmless nature isn't always offensive or negative to the thread at all...but beneficial to the thread getting fresh again.

 

Also....when you come into a forum, I don't care which forum...but when you come into a forum, complaining about moderation...complaining about the regular posters in said forum...STATING...that you HATE that forum (ergo the posters)...and proceed to ignore the earnest opinions to your topic because of them coming from those whom you dislike or have understanding of...

 

When you do the above...guess what...you have garnered no respect from your peers, you have shown them that all you have is contempt for them...and you deserve what you get.  When you label people idiots for not agreeing with you....you might as well tattoo that right on your forehead because you are nothing short of it yourself.

 

You say NGD is not moderated like the other forums?  That is likely due to the fact that it is in no way LIKE the other forums....look in there for the nastiness you find in most other boards....its not there unless it is BROUGHT there. Why is a derail tolerated in the 40 page thread on spatulas?  Because it is a 40 page thread on Spatula's!   Cripes!  The moderation is loose in my opinion because it is a different mindset in there....

 

 

Let me ask you this...what are some of these "topics" that you folks think you cant bring up in NGD for fear of being "ridiculed", which I have seen much more rarely than in any other forum...what is a "topic" that you want to discuss that you dont post there for fear of an organized effort to derail them?

 

 

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this right here is an excellent point that people need to pay attention to...(the highlighted parts especially)...don't go on the offensive if something is derailed, by doing so you end up destroying your topic, and any respect that might have been afforded to you...this not only applies to the ngd, but every other board on this forum...

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Leawyn wrote:
I'd like to go in there and say Happy Birthday to myself, because today is my Birthday. Based on some of the posts in this thread, I would probably avoid that because I'd probably get laughed right to the curb.

I'd like to go in there and post about my kids first day of kidnergarten. Maybe no one cares, but I was a proud momma that day.

I'd like to go in there and rant about work, about the stupid shipping companies we use and how they screwed us three times in a row.

I'd like to post a discussion about other games which doesn't involve "WoW suxx0rz", maybe discuss previous games I've played prior to EQ/EQ2.

I wouldn't mind a good discussion on cars, what everyone drives, recommendations, reviews, things like that.

I'd like to discuss relevant news stories, as long as they're not political.

I don't know.... its alot of things and nothing at the same time. Sometimes there's something I'd like to talk about, but its not a gaming discussion, and its not allowed in the server forums, so where do I go?

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it is really unfortunate that you feel this way...really it is...maybe if everyone is willing to put aside all the bad feelings then maybe you won't have to feel like this...don't bite back if you feel you're being railed on or treated with disrespect in NGD...take a few moments to just not look at the forums, come back later...and don't just go read somewhere else...just close the browser and come back later, the hurt feelings are going to spill over into whatever interaction you have elsewhere...when you come back, try to just laugh it off and be civil with people...if it really bothers you later PM the person in question, but don't be mean and don't try to lecture, it's just not going to work...

and btw leawyn...happy birthday

the posters of the ngd want to have fun...we don't want the flaming from the rest of the boards to come there, and a lot of the ngd people will fight it REALLY hard...i'm not saying it's right, i'm just saying that's how it is...don't perpetuate evil things, let the mods handle it, really that's what they're there for...

Happy Birthday, Leawyn. I read your post yesterday about how your birthday went a few years ago and I'll tell you I can relate. My brother-in-law was a fatal motorcycle accident the day before my birthday a couple years ago. Puts a damper on the celebration part, but its still your birthday.

Any of the things you listed you could post on in NGD and most would get a positive response, the kids (back) in school thing I would guess would be something quite a few people would relate to. There are some threads on some of these toicps already going(or similar). Realize that what brings us together is a game, outside of that are a wide variety of opinions, lifestyles and interests. The mian thing most have is common is a desire to laugh. So not everyone is going to have the time or inclnation to add to every topic. Because NGD is such a broad topic, the shear number of new threads started means things tend to fall off the first page fast.

cars

news? guess you saw that one and didn't like it

other games

I would also like to point out, that the OP of the Class/skills thread also posted in coyotes paraody thread. So while some might have found his defusing of a tense situation offensive, apparently the OP didn't.

Like goth siad, come in with an open mind, and a sense of humor, check the flames at the door, and maybe.... just maybe you might like green eggs and ham.

One more thought, remeber that try as we might with smilyes, you can't always read a persons tone when posting. When in doub't send a PM. You may find out the playful teasing was mean't as a friendly inclusion rather then a get out of here.

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interstellarmatter wrote:

I have to agree with Oolie, Leawyn.  You use to be a pretty cool poster around here.  Lately, you've done nothing but declared war on the mods cause of their type of moderation.  Your stance was for less moderation, since you couldn't get your way, you've turned this into let's make boards what I want them to be.  In the mean time, you troll around these forums flaming anyone who doesn't agree with you.  I've gotten a few pm's just asking me why you have to be so mean.  So, before you start asking for the forums to become what you want, why do you take the time to build your reputation back up.

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Thank you Stellar. And having read Raijinn's request and Gothic's thoughts, all I still have to say is Leawyn you have no business trying to change what, where and how people post. If you don't like NGD, or the Nek boards, or the blackboard for that matter, then READ SOMETHING ELSE! If you don't like what someone says or talks about READ SOMETHING ELSE! If NGD wants to create a 30 page thread about the proper use of spatulas and you have nothing to add.. then DON'T POST! DON'T READ IT! It really is that simple. Get over yourself, really.

And stop trying to flame on this board. I wonder at why you did not post this in NGD.... seems that is your target. Scared to get Pwned? They would eat you alive with this "I don't like what you say... blahblah" business.

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But see, you have this preconceived notion about me, and you refuse to see what I am saying. Instead you are choosing to view my words as confrontational. I don't want to change NGD. I don't want the silly posts to go away. If you want to have 20 pages dedicated to spatulas, go at it. As long as it stays relatively on topic, I could care less.

My main gripe is when legitimate posts that aren't silly get derailed. That's it.

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Leawyn wrote:
I'd like to go in there and say Happy Birthday to myself, because today is my Birthday. Based on some of the posts in this thread, I would probably avoid that because I'd probably get laughed right to the curb.

I'd like to go in there and post about my kids first day of kidnergarten. Maybe no one cares, but I was a proud momma that day.

I'd like to go in there and rant about work, about the stupid shipping companies we use and how they screwed us three times in a row.

I'd like to post a discussion about other games which doesn't involve "WoW suxx0rz", maybe discuss previous games I've played prior to EQ/EQ2.

I wouldn't mind a good discussion on cars, what everyone drives, recommendations, reviews, things like that.

I'd like to discuss relevant news stories, as long as they're not political.

I don't know.... its alot of things and nothing at the same time. Sometimes there's something I'd like to talk about, but its not a gaming discussion, and its not allowed in the server forums, so where do I go?

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A THERAPIST! NGD is not your sounding board. If you want to make a post and it gets derailed... so be it. If you can't get people to talk to you maybe you should examine why that is, rather than blame NGD. Try Dr. Phil imo.

Edit: Raijinn, I apologize. I know this is getting out of hand so I will refrain from posting any more. And Goth, I know what they are saying but the underlying issue is they want something in writing that they can throw in people's faces when they jump into a flamefest. Lame, imo. They have their little blowtorches ready to start fires wherever they can and I have no respect for anything either of them say anymore. It all serves a dual purpose.

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juliev wrote:

 It is not a place for serious topics of discussion.

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juliev wrote:

 It is not a place for serious topics of discussion.

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Now wouldn't that be you trying to impose your vision of what NGD is? I don't seem to remember reading anywhere that "serious" subjects were off limits? If there is something to that effect I will stand corrected. Otherwise, this is just you stating your opinion, and it is quite ironic given how lambasting you are of her for doing the same.

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juliev wrote:

 It is not a place for serious topics of discussion.

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Now wouldn't that be you trying to impose your vision of what NGD is? I don't seem to remember reading anywhere that "serious" subjects were off limits? If there is something to that effect I will stand corrected. Otherwise, this is just you stating your opinion, and it is quite ironic given how lambasting you are of her for doing the same.

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ok good point... some are serious, some are not. But the general "ambiance" of the board is off topic, have a laugh, make someone smile. There have been plenty of serious topics where someone was ill, or needed family advice. But you roll the dice. If youput the question out there and you don't hear what you want, don't cry like baby is my opinion.

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Now that I can completely agree with.

This is where I think we disagree to a point. I am not saying it is ok for people to be thin skinned, and I am not saying that posters to NGD should stay on topic all the time. What I am saying is that if the OP specifically asks for a "re-rail" in a "serious" thread that this should respected by the posters to NGD just as it should to any other board. I hope we can agree that this is not too much to ask.

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juliev wrote:

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Kenazeer wrote:

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juliev wrote:

 It is not a place for serious topics of discussion.

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Now wouldn't that be you trying to impose your vision of what NGD is? I don't seem to remember reading anywhere that "serious" subjects were off limits? If there is something to that effect I will stand corrected. Otherwise, this is just you stating your opinion, and it is quite ironic given how lambasting you are of her for doing the same.

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ok good point... some are serious, some are not. But the general "ambiance" of the board is off topic, have a laugh, make someone smile. There have been plenty of serious topics where someone was ill, or needed family advice. But you roll the dice. If youput the question out there and you don't hear what you want, don't cry like baby is my opinion.

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Pinski wrote:

Tell that to the other boards, where people get warned and/or banned for doing similiar things that occur in the NGD.

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Kenazeer wrote:

 What I am saying is that if the OP specifically asks for a "re-rail" in a "serious" thread that this should respected by the posters to NGD just as it should to any other board. I hope we can agree that this is not too much to ask.

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this is an excellent point...and i think people in ngd should keep this in mind

and people should not immediately start flaming if their attempt at getting the thread back on topic doesn't go well...that's what the /report is for...

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g0thiCiCecReaM wrote:

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Kenazeer wrote:

 What I am saying is that if the OP specifically asks for a "re-rail" in a "serious" thread that this should respected by the posters to NGD just as it should to any other board. I hope we can agree that this is not too much to ask.

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this is an excellent point...and i think people in ngd should keep this in mind

and people should not immediately start flaming if their attempt at getting the thread back on topic doesn't go well...that's what the /report is for...

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Exactly! Courtesy should go both ways.

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Pinski wrote:

Tell that to the other boards, where people get warned and/or banned for doing similiar things that occur in the NGD.

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See! He just wants ammo to defend other flames. LAME-O! I am going to buy my house, it is a beautiful day in San Diego and the realtor is waiting. Andale pues~

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No, that is what you are painting his post as. He simply wants the same rules we have to abide by in the other however-many forums that are on these boards to apply to NGD.

I will be the first to admit that I got cranky at some of the moderating that happened to me, but after a long talk with Echgar, I think I better understand the rules and I have been trying hard to stick by them. I try not to jump on derails or start them, I try to pariticpate in discussions, and I try not to let my temper be the one to write my posts. I'm not perfect, I slip up, I get testy, and sometimes probably post when I shouldn't. But overall I think if you took the time you would notice a change in tone in my posts from 2 weeks ago compared to this week. If you want to judge me based on my attitude previously, when I felt that legitimate posts were being locked and I reacted in an admittedly childish way, then that is fine. I have not passed judgement on you at all in this post. You are entitled to your opinion and I'm responsible for my own posts, and I can wear the mantle of what I have said previously.

I do participate in some NGD discussions (tho personally avoid the outright silly ones), but to me, the saddest thing is that anything remotely serious gets buried by the silliness. Even the 9/11 thread, where some people, myself included, got to unload some of the baggage they've been carrying around for 5 years is now bumped to the second page (or was last I checked). That was a great thread, and I enjoyed reading it, but now it will die because its not funny, its not silly, and it doesn't "fit" in the NGD Vision (tm) as the regulars have made.

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Tell that to the other boards, where people get warned and/or banned for doing similiar things that occur in the NGD.

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no, people get banned for continuing to do what they're told not to...honestly ngd isn't nearly as bad as the rest of the boards...participating in a /flame is as bad as starting it...use the mods, but use them wisely

warnings are just their way of trying to get posters from being unruly and making a mess of things, they are trying to keep the boards from being full of locked posts b/c people can't play nice...people shouldn't take it personally...they need to be less self absorbed and pay attention to what the mods are talking about in the warnings...they're not "out to get anyone"

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Leawyn wrote:

That was a great thread, and I enjoyed reading it, but now it will die because its not funny, its not silly, and it doesn't "fit" in the NGD Vision (tm) as the regulars have made.

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In all honesty though, one can only put out topics for discussions. It is up to the audience to decide whether they find it interesting enough to post. It almost seems as if you are asking to have it both ways; you want the traffic and post counts that the normal NGD topics deliver but not the usual "personality" of the posts. Some posts don't die because of a lack of "vision", they die because people just don't find it interesting enough to talk about. Perhaps, as in this specific case, even 5 years is too short of a time for people to really open themselves up. I have browsed NGD enough to know that they can be a serious lot at times, so in the case of a specific post it may just be that it doesn't interest them, it may be a touchy subject, etc...

Hug incoming....

Eek..sorry this is not a derail...back to your regularly scheduled debating.

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Leawyn wrote:

I do participate in some NGD discussions (tho personally avoid the outright silly ones), but to me, the saddest thing is that anything remotely serious gets buried by the silliness. Even the 9/11 thread, where some people, myself included, got to unload some of the baggage they've been carrying around for 5 years is now bumped to the second page (or was last I checked). That was a great thread, and I enjoyed reading it, but now it will die because its not funny, its not silly, and it doesn't "fit" in the NGD Vision (tm) as the regulars have made.

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Leawyn wrote:

 

 

 

 Even the 9/11 thread, where some people, myself included, got to unload some of the baggage they've been carrying around for 5 years is now bumped to the second page (or was last I checked). That was a great thread, and I enjoyed reading it, but now it will die because its not funny, its not silly, and it doesn't "fit" in the NGD Vision (tm) as the regulars have made.

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Or maybe it will die becaues its now September 12th. /shrug Unfortunatly the tradegy of the 9/11  has become a very heated topic, somone started a similar thread on the Vanguard forums and it had to be locked.

Another factor is maybe the length of some of the posts, many of us are posting from work and we don't all have the time to read or post on looooooong threads, but a quick one liner about a picture... that we can do.

I'm going to have to do a big QFE for Oolie's posts.

and hazle, nice post about the huggles.

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Leawyn wrote:

I do participate in some NGD discussions (tho personally avoid the outright silly ones), but to me, the saddest thing is that anything remotely serious gets buried by the silliness. Even the 9/11 thread, where some people, myself included, got to unload some of the baggage they've been carrying around for 5 years is now bumped to the second page (or was last I checked). That was a great thread, and I enjoyed reading it, but now it will die because its not funny, its not silly, and it doesn't "fit" in the NGD Vision (tm) as the regulars have made.

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eh, i've started my share of threads that just died, but i'm ok with that b/c either people read it and didn't have anythign to say, or they just weren't interested...people will browse past the first page when they're done with the first page of stuff

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Threads are dying now cause I went to flame on Nagafen boards.. am getting REALLY good at it too. People try to kill me all night long for the things I say and some of the screenies I post!!

And Leawyn, you know what, imposing your beliefs of how and what people should post is wrong. And if you are a Lord and don't know how to re-rail a thread by now, maybe you should examine your own posting. I usually can get a thread back on track when I want an answer with a well placed question or statement, or quote from the relevant part of the thread. Why don't you try working on that rather than squarely placng blame on other people. Self improvement FTW!

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Articulas wrote:

I'm going to have to do a big QFE for Oolie's posts.

 

and hazle, nice post about the huggles.

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Leawyn wrote:

I do participate in some NGD discussions (tho personally avoid the outright silly ones), but to me, the saddest thing is that anything remotely serious gets buried by the silliness. Even the 9/11 thread, where some people, myself included, got to unload some of the baggage they've been carrying around for 5 years is now bumped to the second page (or was last I checked). That was a great thread, and I enjoyed reading it, but now it will die because its not funny, its not silly, and it doesn't "fit" in the NGD Vision (tm) as the regulars have made.

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eh, i've started my share of threads that just died, but i'm ok with that b/c either people read it and didn't have anythign to say, or they just weren't interested...people will browse past the first page when they're done with the first page of stuff

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Threads are dying now cause I went to flame on Nagafen boards.. am getting REALLY good at it too. People try to kill me all night long for the things I say and some of the screenies I post!!

And Leawyn, you know what, imposing your beliefs of how and what people should post is wrong. And if you are a Lord and don't know how to re-rail a thread by now, maybe you should examine your own posting. I usually can get a thread back on track when I want an answer with a well placed question or statement, or quote from the relevant part of the thread. Why don't you try working on that rather than squarely placng blame on other people. Self improvement FTW!

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