[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] it...i'm taking it to pms and yahoo...julie please chill out

Message Edited by g0thiCiCecReaM on 09-13-2006 08:49 AM

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Tallika_Runwithbears wrote:

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Leawyn wrote:

Hazel, did you ever stop to think that the reason the serious topics have "lack of interest" is because the people that would like to talk about that do not tread anywhere near NGD due to the "nature" of the board as it currently stands? If it were a forum where people could go to have a discussion on non-game issues, I think different people would gravitate there to have these discussions. Many (myself included) may be turned off by the very silliness of the board. It took me many many months to make my first NGD post, because of the overwhelming feeling of "I am a cool NGD kid, and you aren't" that I personally felt pervaded that.

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Serious RL topics usually touch on two topics that will generally incite the community and start flame fests, politics and religion, which are definitely against the RoC.  If you truely wish to discuss such topics i would suggest signing up for some politicially  non-biased blogs, if such a thing exists, and seek to enlighten others of like mind there.  There is no reason to create a new forum for social interactions.  That forum already exists, and nothing defines "Non Gameplay" than the general atmosphere of the NGD.  The people who really dislike such an open and whimsical atmosphere are usually those that bring their anger, angst and venom about whatever issue is currently got them in a twist and the response they get isnt the one they were looking for.  So their frustration is then directed at the people who refused to validate their viewpoint.  Those people are the ones who usually get the lable of "Troll" and "Flamemonger" cause while they thing their posts are some piece of literary gold it is usually just somone wanting to kick sand in other peoples face just to see how they will react to them.  We have no responibility to babysit such people. 

We also don't miss them when they leave....  well coyote might but thats cause whiners are such a rich source of humor.

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g0thiCiCecReaM wrote:

[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] it...i'm taking it to pms and yahoo...julie please chill out

Message Edited by g0thiCiCecReaM on 09-13-2006 08:49 AM

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Message Edited by juliev on 09-13-2006 09:41 AM

• How about a discussion between the players who also surf, about the best waves they've ever ridden?
• Stories of the worst car accident someone has witnessed or been in (I admit, I'd be fascinated by this topic! but i'm kinda sick...)
• Valentines Day Special: Best/Worst date stories
• What you would like to see in an MMO (this could get ugly but would also be very interesting if everyone involved just posts their ideas and doesn't flame others)
• SPORTS! How about them Chargers on Monday!? Great game!

See what I mean? I don't want a board that is dreary and unfun. I just want a place that everyone feels welcome, not just those who are particularly good at discussing weird stuff, or particularly good at finding off the wall links or pictures that they share with others. Or those particularly good at derailing any topic posted into a discussion on food. I can see how some of those topics I listed above would die in a day or two due to lack of interest by the NGD regulars, and those that aren't regular wouldn't even see it as the "Newest Thread" preview on the forum home, because it would be replaced by another topic in a matter of minutes, as is the norm.

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Leawyn wrote:

Please lets not let this degrade to personal arguing and attacks. Everyone is entitled to their opinions of other members, and I respect that, but I would rather that doesn't make its way to this thread, because I'd like to see a discussion about the merits of NGD, whether it should remain as it is (and possibly the rules posted in it changed to reflect the actual nature) or if there should be a new forum created where people can be as silly as they want, can derail as much as they want, and post about sporks all they want, while leaving NGD to discussions about RL, other games or other non-gaming discussions without fear of it getting derailed.

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Leawyn, while I agree with the first part of your statement, the latter half I have to disagree with. I've been posting mainly in the NGD but also in the SK boards from time to time for the better part of a year (more NGD than not). In that time, I've seen several serious topic threads go for awhile until it seems the topic has been talked out or the same answers start reappearing over and over again. The NGD is without a doubt a very laid back place to be. It's why I like it so much. The discussions can be serious but usually will never get TOO serious without a bit of humor dropped in, which is how I also tend to handle my real life discussions as well. Normally things are not meant as a derail (but I won't deny that some are), but as a way to keep some humor in a situation that may be tense, or just to get a laugh out of the OP and others. The "Do you speak Icelandic" thread is a perfect example of this. If you check Savanja's posting history, you will find several instances of help and good advice and serious points in a discussion, but you'll also find where she has interjected humor in several places. The same goes with Coyote, although he likes to keep things humorous so most of his advice is laced with large amounts of humor, but his opinion is never purposely vicious or intentionally harmful, unless attacked.

The Red Names have been quoted in the past as saying that the NGD is to be modded with a bit more leniency due to the nature of the NGD. This is coming from the Red Names themselves, not the mods. The nature of the NGD is to be laid back, fun , and allow for a fostering of a community that is more like hanging out with your friends than a serious forum for discussion. It's what makes it a fun place to be. As such, topics will be derailed (just like in RL hanging out with your friends), and jokes will be played ( just like in RL hanging out with your friends) and silly nonsensical garbage will be let loose for the expense of a laugh or just to stay in touch ( as with RL friends hanging out). But also, ( as with RL friends) serious discussion CAN be had as long as you don't walk in the door with a chip on your shoulder, looking for someone to rally behind a cause, and you expect a little bit of humor or derailing to happen. If you can't talk about something and see both sides of the coin (those who agree and disagree with you), then yes, the NGD will seem to be a hostile place to go. In reality, it is nothing more than a place to foster the community as friends instead of advesaries in a debate, as other forums are wont to do with thier serious nature.

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Tallika_Runwithbears wrote:

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Leawyn wrote:

I can think of a dozen "serious" topics that are neither political or religious.

 

• How about a discussion between the players who also surf, about the best waves they've ever ridden?
• Stories of the worst car accident someone has witnessed or been in (I admit, I'd be fascinated by this topic! but i'm kinda sick...)
• Valentines Day Special: Best/Worst date stories
• What you would like to see in an MMO (this could get ugly but would also be very interesting if everyone involved just posts their ideas and doesn't flame others)
• SPORTS! How about them Chargers on Monday!? Great game!

See what I mean? I don't want a board that is dreary and unfun. I just want a place that everyone feels welcome, not just those who are particularly good at discussing weird stuff, or particularly good at finding off the wall links or pictures that they share with others. Or those particularly good at derailing any topic posted into a discussion on food. I can see how some of those topics I listed above would die in a day or two due to lack of interest by the NGD regulars, and those that aren't regular wouldn't even see it as the "Newest Thread" preview on the forum home, because it would be replaced by another topic in a matter of minutes, as is the norm.

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actually all those topics have been brought up multiple times except the surfing one.  Honestly gamers arent in general the most physically active bunch and out of our small cross-section of the population then get it even smaller by those that post at all...  how many surfers do you think we have??

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We were down at Joe's last night watching the sunset and eatng crab, and there is a surf shop right there. We contemplated trying.... but then I had to come post here and well.. I just forgot. It sucks when you strip down nekkid on the beach to put on your wetsuit and then just forget and drive home.

On a related note, saw 16 houses yesterday. 10 more today. Leaning towards Lakeside but it is sooo hot there. I really like the Mission Bay area better. Beach is closer and love the evening breeze off  the water. Gotta decide today cause tomorrow is paperwork and the drive home.

Message Edited by juliev on 09-13-2006 10:27 AM

More than you think, I'm sure.

and i seriously doubt ALL of those have been brought up, but most I'm sure have been discussed in some way.

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Leawyn wrote:

More than you think, I'm sure.

and i seriously doubt ALL of those have been brought up, but most I'm sure have been discussed in some way.

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I know the Footbal one has been brought up more than a few times... cause I posted a few of them

but in all reality, I did expect a little bit of banter then total derailment or for it to be pushed to pg.3. As far as the population of gamers go, only a small part is interested in sports enough to discuss it much. Now I have seen a few of the other topics you listed before ( or similar), the Valentine's day one actually lasted a bit.

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juliev wrote:

The reality of derails is that they aren't actually bad. When you go have a conversation with someone, like over lunch, it grows and develops. It isn't a "STAY ON TOPIC" business meeting. Duh. Conversations between friends grows, changes and sometimes fades away. That is life. Deal with it.

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SillyMonkey wrote:

In the NGD however, a few derailing comments should be expected in any post. The key is, as Goth as stated, not to take these things personally as more often than not, they aren't meant to be personal attacks.

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Regards,
Joel "Raijinn Thunderguard"


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